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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:36:00 -
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we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way |

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Elliavir wrote:My Dream wrote:we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way You can already put a bounty on anyone - put enough on them and they become worth ganking even in high-sec with CONCORD response. You can also gank them yourself - and view the ship you will lose if you do it in high-sec as the fee you pay to express your opinion on their business dealings. The fundamental problem is that there is no way for CONCORD to identify a 'real scam' vs. a 'crappy but legit deal' vs. a 'guy falsely claiming scam to grief someone'. So really what this would be if implemented is a way to place bounty on someone that causes the NPCs to also attack them. And that seems gamebreaking to me. Obviously none of this matters if the scammers stay in station. Which they can easily do, and conduct all their legit business and flying-around business on an alt.
repeated reports would get flagged a simple api check with ccp tools would validate a scam and then its open season im not suggesting a single report from one grudgy would trigger it |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 15:58:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:My Dream wrote:we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee
Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered) this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is
it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way You can already do this by using the bounty system and pay concord so they close their eyes or look on the other side when the one claiming the bounty puts the misery on them. The main issue you have, which is not a small one in this game is those characters mostly are 50K sp characters or slightly more, often bots, and NEVER undock. But as you see it's another issue.
API would validate which character the isk went to from the scam alt thats where the confiscation bit kicks in |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:04:00 -
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Victor Dathar wrote:I wish I could report your posting to Concord.
come up with a better idea to deal with scamming . nothing should be risk free in eve
listening ..............
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:10:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:How about you not fall for scams?
so you think scamming should be the only risk free money maker in eve =p
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:12:00 -
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still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:21:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts How much did you lose? All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy. Also Features and Ideas would be a better place to have posted, you tend to get a better class of ridicule in there.
so you fully endorse the idea that making isk in eve should be completely risk free
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:25:00 -
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keep the personal insults at me going guys . gotta love the endangered scammers |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:35:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:still waiting for a better idea all i see is unhappy mains of scam alts How much did you lose? All I'm seeing is an unhappy scam victim, who can't take responsibility for being greedy. Also Features and Ideas would be a better place to have posted, you tend to get a better class of ridicule in there. so you fully endorse the idea that making isk in eve should be completely risk free Nope, you're kind of jumping to conclusions there. CCP implicitly allow scamming, it's up to us, the players, to provide the consequences. It's also up to us, the players, to take responsibility for their own ignorance and greed. If you'd read one of my previous posts you would see that I have been the victim of a scam to the tune of the best part of a billion isk. Do you know what I did about it? I congratulated the scammer and then asked how he'd done it, I learnt a valuable lesson in how the market works in the process.
i have no problem with CCP AND THERE STANCE ON SCAMMING . i do however have issue thats there no tool in game to get payback
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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:39:00 -
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and still i wait for a better idea to punish scammers |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:47:00 -
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Elliavir wrote:My Dream wrote:i have no problem with CCP AND THERE STANCE ON SCAMMING . i do however have issue thats there no tool in game to get payback
Wardecs. Bounties. Ganking them yourself. Hiring merc corps.
1st there normally alts in npc corps
2nd bounties allthough usefull . are usless for this because concord will protect the scammer when trying to collect
3rd see above
4 nd see above again =p
and non of this removes there illl gotten gains from there wallet
stuns me the amount of people who fully endorse un ethical isk making . the game prides its self on realism yet we have noway to punish perpitrators of a criminal act and it is criminal by any yard stick |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 16:52:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:Elliavir wrote:My Dream wrote:i have no problem with CCP AND THERE STANCE ON SCAMMING . i do however have issue thats there no tool in game to get payback
Wardecs. Bounties. Ganking them yourself. Hiring merc corps. 1st there normally alts in npc corps 2nd bounties allthough usefull . are usless for this because concord will protect the scammer when trying to collect 3rd see above 4 nd see above again =p and non of this removes there illl gotten gains from there wallet stuns me the amount of people who fully endorse un ethical isk making . the game prides its self on realism yet we have noway to punish perpitrators of a criminal act and it is criminal by any yard stick Not CCPs and their stick is the only one that counts.
not asking for GM intervention asking for a tool within the convines of the game that will hurt those who have a risk free money faucet |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 17:17:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote: not asking for GM intervention asking for a tool within the convines of the game that will hurt those who have a risk free money faucet
Firstly it's not a faucet, scamming generates no new isk, it's just a transfer of funds. Secondly the tools are already there, you just refuse to see or use them inventively. Now tell us again why a scammer should be punished for taking advantage of another players greed and ignorance, by using the existing mechanics and tools in an inventive manner?
nm matter how inventive my imagination is at using the provided systems there is no way to prevent him him gaining from un ethical isk making his scammed isk will be far off on his alt
he should be punished because he has gained isk in an unethical way if the game is going to pride its self on being a realistic sandbox that does not equal chaoes . the planet earth is argueably just a massiive sandbox but it has rules of law to maintain peace and order try scamm on the planet earth as a business you ill get fined by a regulater or worse case thrown in jail .
you cant have it one way and not another if your going to create a game to be as realistic as possible . eve in many ways is pretty much a simulator you gotta have realistic punishment to for misbehavour and in any civilised society be it virtual scamming is a unethical act
its unbalanced that there is indeed tools to scam but none to protect yourself apart from your own keen eye fairs fair the tools are there to scam wheres mine to get payback
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Posted - 2013.10.03 17:37:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:My Dream wrote:the planet earth is argueably just a massiive sandbox but it has rules of law to maintain peace and order try scamm on the planet earth as a business you ill get fined by a regulater or worse case thrown in jail . And those rules are made and enforced by people using force or the threat of force. Not by magical space pixies shooting nukes. You are free to declare that scamming is against the rules in EVE, and then enforce your rule using force or the threat of force. Stop asking the sand in the box to animate and smack Billy just because he knocked down your castle, just go over yourself and knock down his.
i like your post and it has alot of truth but how does a simple individual enforce there will and how do i do it with noway to really hurt them where it counts in the wallet |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:18:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:How does a 2004 character not understand how bad this idea is???? ebay
if you think that report me and with anyluck you ll get a few days ban for wasting there time
in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:31:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote: in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language.
and still the personal insults flow |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:32:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:My Dream wrote:in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off What, were people throwing themselves at you trying to give you money and you had to dodge? I don't understand why you'd feel pride in making a choice that takes no effort or sacrifice whatsoever to make.
makes me feel better than you |

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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:34:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:My Dream wrote: in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language. and still the personal insults flow Nothing personal about it, if you're going to murder a language, at least do it properly.
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Posted - 2013.10.03 18:36:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:My Dream wrote:and still i wait for a better idea to punish scammers We could force them to read your shitposting in this awful thread?
post with your main
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Posted - 2013.10.04 10:58:00 -
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i really dont think any of you have grasped where im coming from
maybe my idea is not the best and thats fine to criticise put forward a better one and i will listen
i also have no problem with scams existing . i think i have made it clear i dont like them but whatever
the crutch of the problem is theres no way to get your own back against the said scammers thats truely effective they are like the untouchables of eve . no risk . lots of reward and that goes against everything i have believed up till now eve stands for .
it does not matter how much time invested to create a good scam takes . the fact there are no tools in game to effectivley hurt them back is BS
anyway im done with the thread i have failed to convince enough people that a risk free money maker is bad . i also have come to the conclusion that many are stealing money from noobs to fund there mains and those mains are members of alliances that most likely encourage it .
Eve is rotten to the core
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